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Imunodeficiência face aos prazeres da música

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«Como se pode ter uma relação, seja de que tipo for, com alguém assim, que não gosta de música?»

Anthony Bourdain
Expresso, Dezembro de 2010


The A.V. Club: Speaking of your non-fiction work, you dedicated The Nasty Bits to the Ramones. Why is that?

Anthony Bourdain: I think they were the most important rock 'n' roll band to come out of my lifetime. They made my life good for a while.

AVC: Isn't there something very "un-punk" about fine dining?

AB: It depends on if you're in the dining room or the kitchen. [Laughs.] Yeah, sure, no question. But I've had dinner with Marky Ramone, and he enjoys fine dining very much. And he was a punk for much longer than 10 minutes. Although, you know, the whole movement, such as it was, lasted only 10 minutes. Yeah, I would say that they seem opposed. Certainly, Ramones-style punk was ostensibly about pizza and cold cereal. [Laughs.] But it's grown up a little.

AVC: It seems like your favorite bands—The Stooges, The Dead Boys—would have gotten thrown out of your restaurants.

AB: Actually, I fed a lot of those guys back in the day. I used to feed Johnny Thunders. We fed him because we wanted free tickets and stuff. They were very uncomfortable in the restaurant, that's for sure. They were always very intimidated. They didn't know which fork to use, whether to mix the red and the white, they didn't know what to do. But I mean, that's being 18 and strung-out. I didn't know any of those things when I was 18, either.

AVC: I think the biggest revelation from this interview will be that Johnny Thunders actually ate something.

AB: Oh yeah, oh my God. He came in and we laid it all out for him. He came in all dressed up, wearing a formal, rock 'n' roll tux outfit, and was quiet like a church mouse. He was really intimidated and didn't know what to do with the various glasses and drinks. It was kind of sweet.

AVC: So were you a fan of the British punk bands, or the post-punk bands that followed?

AB: I liked The Clash a great deal, some of the no-wave stuff. I liked The Contortions. You know, it's funny: I was always really resentful of Soft Cell and Tears For Fears and Depeche Mode when that music was current. I've since taken to enjoying a lot of that music. I listen to a lot of Depeche Mode now, and New Order. Back then, I didn't like them. I liked the rawer, angrier stuff. I mean, I hated Lynyrd Skynyrd back then, too, and now I find myself listening to a little Lynyrd Skynyrd. [Laughs.] Things change.

AVC: Are you a fan of modern music?

AB: Some. I'm hardly up to date, but there are bands that have been around for the last 10 or 15 years that I really like. Anybody from the last couple of years? No. But I'm a huge Brian Jonestown Massacre fan. I'm glad that the Chili Peppers still have work. Pearl Jam. I love Queens Of The Stone Age, who just did a show with us, Anthony Bourdain's Holiday Special.

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AVC: Was that envisioned as being something like those old Andy Williams holiday specials?

AB: That's exactly what we were going for. Like with Bing Crosby standing around a cheesy set with fake snow in the background, and suddenly the doorbell rings. "Hey, look. Its my next-door neighbor David Bowie!" And just like that, they'd sing Christmas carols. We wore ugly Christmas sweaters, I cooked a Martha Stewart-style turkey dinner, and [QOTSA] provided a lot of music and performed. When you see those sweaters that they wore—which are truly the most terrifying things I have ever laid eyes on—you know that this is a band with a sense of humor.

AVC: Considering how often you've moved in the same circles as bands, did you ever get the bug to make music yourself?

AB: No. By the time I was 12 or 13, I was lucky enough—or unfortunate enough, depending on how you look at it—to be surrounded by some really good musicians. My best friend when I was 12 was a guitar virtuoso—I mean a really incredible guitarist, pedal steel, classical violin. And I roadied for all my big brother's bands, so I knew good musicians, and I knew that it was already too late for me. It required too much work, too much time, and it just seemed too late. No matter how much I liked rock 'n' roll, and no matter how much I might have liked to come back in another life as Larry Graham or the bassist for James Brown, it wasn't going to happen.

A V Club 1.8.2008

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